What If You Knew You Could Handle Anything That Happened In Your Life…
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Most of us spend most of our time resisting what’s happening in our lives. This resistance can turn into self-criticism, judgment, impatience, or resignation.
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Welcome to today’s episode of the show. I’m excited to be with you today and I’m excited to share something with you that is pretty incredible. And it’s the interview that I have with my guess expert that I think is going to, in some ways really change your life and I don’t mean that to be dramatic. I think it’s just that when you really apply what he shares, as I have been doing, man it’s powerful. And it’s different, it’s completely different than probably anything you have heard before and that’s why I wanted to get him on the show.
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So I don’t want to take too much time here because I want to jump in to this interview with my guest expert, Steven Russell. And as I said before, prepare to have your mind blown. And in fact, if you can actually get a piece of paper or something to take some notes on and if you can listen to this episode, this interview without doing anything else and really just like be able to go along with the exercises he suggests, and do it, man its powerful stuff. And if you’re super main stream and some of it might be a little out of left field for you, and that’s okay just stick with it and have an open mind because it is truly life changing.
So without further to do lets jump into my guess expert interview for today’s show.
Welcome to today’s guest interview with a confidence expert. Today I’m super excited to have Steven Russell, also known as the barefoot doctor. And I first came across him through another teacher online. And listened to some audios that he had about self acceptance and dealing with fear and they were powerful. And I thought I want to hear more of what he has to say and what he has to share. And I looked up some of the materials and they’re phenomenal.
He began practicing martial arts at the age of 11. And he’s dedicated his life to exploring, interpreting practicing and teaching, the methods and philosophy of ancient Taoism. He is a master of the Taoist arts, including Tai Chi, several that I am probably not going to pronounce well, including Tsing Yi, Pachuca, White crane. And he’s a doctor of Chinese medicine. He’s also been an avid student of philosophy belief systems, spirituality and human potential. He studied psychotherapy with RD Laing who is a very famous psychotherapist and shamanism with Native Americans in South America. He also worked in London and run one of the busiest acupuncture healing practices there for almost 20 years. And he treated a number of acclaimed celebrities including Madonna, and Naomi Campbell, Pink Floyd etcetera.
And he is also the author of 16 books, including the handbook for the Urban Warrior, Liberation and so many more. He also makes music, sound healing. He’s been the author for a column of the UK national newspaper, The Observer. Did that for five years, radio, TV show sand now he goes around and teaches all kinds of really fascinating workshops, retreats, sharing his music, his writings in so many ways to shift your life through the teaching of Taoism and beyond.
So I think be prepared to open up your mind and just learn some really valuable stuff from Steven. So thanks so much for joining us.
Steven: My pleasure. I’m just going to think wow he sounds interesting I want to hear what this guy has to say.
Dr. Aziz: Yes it’s the beauty of a good intro. Yes absolutely you have done quite a bit and I’m excited to get into it and hear how we can take all the wisdom you’ve gained. And guide it towards the focus of this show, how to break free from our fears and self doubts and self criticism and how to be more of our selves in the world more confident, more free. So I’m looking forward to jump into it. To start with, someone listening, might be saying, Taoism, what is that. We know it’s got the martial arts involved and maybe a philosophy. But to the average person who might not study it, what is Taoism?
Steven: Well Taoism, let me just say before we start that I am sitting in the hotel lobby In Spain because the weather was really ferocious today and all the Wi-Fi went down. It’s the only place that I can get online. So anyone listening if you’re hearing the sounds of the hotel lobby going on behind you, that’s what’s going on behind me.
So Taoism was the original life system, the philosophy of china dating back probably even before the last ice age, just imagine the time. They say that 12,000 years ago it was already getting lost all the bits and pieces were getting lost. And conventional theories that it started about 5000 or 6000 years ago because that’s when the book was compiled called the Tao Te Ching. Meaning that the book of the virtues way, or the book of the true way. Compiled by a guy called Lao Tzu, which means the eternal child master. Now I’ll explain why that’s relevant in a minute.
In fact he wasn’t the guy who wrote those, there are 81 poems that kind of give you a brief insight into the philosophy, very pretty and brilliant stuff. But he didn’t actually write that he was a librarian who compiled what was left before it all disappeared and put it into this little book which actually is the only book that’s out sold the bible amazingly, basing that’s because there is so many Chinese people. It means the eternal child master, because one of the fundamental tenants of Taoism is to learn to access your true nature. And you’re true nature is that which was there before you started getting culturalized by kindergarten school and having to conform in any way at all to society around you. And obviously it’s not to suggest that we become unbridled infants in our adult years. We always retain that innocent child-like glee just to being alive in the moment regardless of how difficult or wonderful life is in the moment.
And then they then went on to somehow provide a very fail-safe practical, pragmatic system or protocol by which you could attain to that state and maintain it come what may. You stop me if I’m rambling on at any moment, just cut in I won’t mind
The basis of which and this is what kind of differentiates it from most of the so called spiritual metaphysical systems around is it uses the body as the locust in which you experience everything rather than the conceptual mind. And in that… depending on how you position your consciousness within your skin. Will dictate the experience you have in the moment. And so the training is very much about how you center yourself, where you center yourself inside yourself, how you breathe, how to relax and how to expand your posture to gain optimal space within. And to keep your mood cheerful at all times even through the most difficult passages. It then also postulates a theory that well an explanation of how reality works for us. That’s based on the principle, everyone as heard of it, yin and yang which is the cyclical dance of the contractive force with the expansive force and as you get your seven years of famine and your seven years of plenty or you’re seven minutes of joy and your seven minutes of deflation.
And these styles are occurring in our own lives individually in the collective constantly. So the world is going to be going through cycles of war and peace, of economic abundance and then recession. And times when the consciousness is expanding and enlightenment spreads and at times when it spreads. And the understanding of yin and yang stops you from getting either overly filled with hubris when things are going well or overly dispirited when things are going badly.
And then comes the actual, so it’s not just philosophical though it is not just an intellectual understanding and the idea of saying before of how you position yourself within, actually gives you the facility for being able to maintain this transcendent stable state. That gives you the facility to say yes, okay it doesn’t matter, it’s a little difficult now, it will turn to its opposite. And the point of that is that the greatest gift we have and the one that we overlook all the time is being alive. The existence itself, you don’t get a bigger gift than that. And we forget that and so we start seeking the gift in lesser things status, prestige, wealth, even in relationships, love, anything you care to mention in the external world, thinking were going to find that nirvana out in the world. In fact, we will find moments of joy and bliss like that but of course because of the yin and yang we’ll find the opposite as well. For example say, a Very classic example let’s say, if you wanted a Ducati and you manage to have the million dollars to buy the car “wow I’ve done it, fantastic you’ll get your money and intense joy and triumph or whatever else when you get the car. But then you’ll realize you can’t actually drive it down certain streets, in case somebody keys the side of it, or whatever.
There’s always the other side to everything so…
Dr. Aziz: sure.
Steven: yes so what this teaches you is to maintain this transcendent position so that you actually don’t care which way it goes. You’re just utterly delighted to be here. And I say this from experience because being 60 years old I’ve been around the house a bit and I’ve had three very close brushes with death, in the last 15 years at various points and truly this stuff works because I didn’t have any fear whatsoever going through physical pain, didn’t have any dent on my delight in being alive bizarrely sitting in the hospital with them jabbing stuff in me doing tests, you know your like wow wow you don’t want to have that happen. Even in the process of the weirdest experiences, there is this sense of utter delight, this glee like wow I’m alive. This is amazing I’m alive. And to attain to that as your central access of your being is a remarkable gift it’s an amazing place to be.
Dr. Aziz: Yes I’m going to jump in for a second here because I feel like there’s so many good things in what you’re saying and I could just kind of trans out and listen to them. But if I want to jump in to see if we can help really dive in to some of the things you’re saying because they are so awesome. One, there is two things I want to go deeper in and one is this idea of where you focus in your body and using your body…because the main question is okay, how do we start to do that? How do we get to that place of being okay with the ups and downs, the yin and the yang? How do we be okay with being in the hospital or less for example? You get a no, you get a rejection, you get a setback in life, you lose money whatever, how do we use our body, maybe we’ll start with there. I’m really curios about some of the ways we can do that?
We’re going to pause right here for just one moment, take a quick break and then jump back in to our interview with confidence expert, Steven Russell.
Steven: I was anticipating you asking that sir and I will try to make the explanation as simple as possible. If you consider that all the sense organs face forwards. And therefore we become accustomed to perceiving life as going on in front of us. And when you consider the, how compelling life is, the play of life color, sound, smells, sensations and so on the comings and goings of people and all the rest of it. It makes sense that, that would then draw us, instinctively forwards inside the body, to kind of get a closer look, just to be drawn closer to it. And this happens at a very, very early age it’s sort of roughly between two and three years old but there is no fix rule about that. Being forward in front of the body you require the qualities that exist in the fronts of the body. And these are very simplistically put.
The front of the body relative to the back of the body is quite a noisy place firstly, physically you have your peristaltic motion, digestive noises, you have the heartbeat, and you have the noise of the breathing. But more crucially the emotional noise in the solar plexus specifically because and I’ll explain why. I won’t go off on to many changes here; the solar plexus is the area of the body according to this system which supplies the energy for processing and assimilating information. Whether that be food or ideas or just information in general
It doesn’t mean that that’s where the ideas are processed it just were the energy are doing that is provided but obviously it’s the brain that does all the processing and mostly the subconscious aspect of the brain. Now the subconscious mind according to this system is privy to all the information that ever was, is or will be throughout time and space, no limits.
Hence right now, you sitting in Portland Oregon me sitting in Spain. Both of us are in our subconscious level are calculating air pressure changes over Sydney Australia for example or the fluctuation in the gravitational pull of say Saturn or Jupiter. As farfetched as this may sound, please understand , I’m not suggesting that anything I say is meant to be taken as absolute truth, I’m just providing a view and reporting from the system I practice. It’s just a thing of entertaining the ideas really… but if you could imagine that the subconscious mind was processing all the information that ever was. And then you can consider that us as individuated beings as individuals, we only exist as do all forms, whether nature or human made. By virtue of the fact that we resist the continuum of absence, if we weren’t to resist, we just would be here we would just be atoms. And therefore because our intrinsic nature is to resist, each and every nanosecond is the flow, this endless flow into the information’s incoming, we are going no wait a minute okay wait a minute okay wait a minute okay.
That’s why generally people when you get given a whole new pile of work, people are like oh I have got to do all that work, rather than oh give it here that’s going to be fun. We generally tend to default to that resisting mode. And therefore the solar plexus which is what’s providing the energy for assimilating all this stuff is in a state of constant conflict because it’s going no, yes, okay, no, okay, yes, okay all the time. This conflict, there’s nothing wrong with it, it is part of being human, it’s what makes us feel alive. We become habituated to that. It triggers of release of cortisol, the stress hormone from the adrenals. Each blast of cortisol lasts about 10 to 15 seconds. And cortisol is addictive like crack cocaine but even though it’s not (inaudible)produced, it is addictive. And we get really habituated to it quickly. So people, extenuate the conflict sensation, the stress in the solar plexus without realizing it to keep pumping cortisol into the system, it doesn’t feel pleasant at all but that’s no reason to not be addicted to something as we know.
And the way we tend to do that is we hold the breathe which is in the diaphragm in the solar plexus area and that causes a greater squeezing of the adrenal glands. And so we are constantly in this overstressed state. This, I would call that the noise of that spreads up into the chest and that makes it difficult to be our natural, loving, peaceful selves as we were when we were a baby, one year old, two year old, and whatever, that innocent infusive radiating of the pure essence of the soul that a child will just naturally default to.
That becomes more and more difficult, the more stress there is in the chest area, likewise more and more difficult to receive the natural radiation of joy from everyone around us. So we become slightly alienated and disassociated and in that way that encourages this sense of not being our true self’s right from the start. This then spreads up into throat area which makes it more and more difficult to communicate authentically from the soul we’re always editing the output.
And I am not suggesting any of this is wrong this seems to be what’s required to live in society. I’m just talking about; I’m going to get through the moment talking about how we can adjust that to give it more authenticity, more joyfulness as opposed to less. And then, the pre frontal cortex or the forebrain, what that does is it receives the impressions’ from the sense organs and creates a complex of descriptions about reality. We’re helped to do this by our parents and siblings and teachers and the media and everyone else and so on. And we assume that the way were describing that we are perceiving is actually reality, when in fact it isn’t; it’s just a description of reality.
Then, in the same part of the brain we evaluate how well or badly we think we’re doing in relation to that complex of descriptions that we are mistaking to reality. And of course this evaluation is entirely subjective and mostly spurious and from that, that in itself then generates more stress in the belly. And I call it, all of that the drama of being ourselves. This is the drama of being whoever we are, whoever we think we are. Then combine with that, the fact that, you watch a child three years old, four years old, it’s quite clear that we construct the personality quite actively. We look at; we see what works what kind of verbal signals get the best responses and so on and so forth. Which ones will get a serproprium and we avoid those and we extenuate the ones that work and from that From watching TV and watching everybody else around.
We develop a personality it’s the same as your signature, we all sign a signature without thinking about it. But I remember eight years old, designing my signature and gradually developing it into this natural scroll it is today. But we think, oh yes, that’s just my signature. This is just my personality, this is who I am but in fact, every move was constructed along the way. And we mistake this construct; this concocted self, who we really are. It’s not; it’s just the drama of who we are. So when you walk into your best friends place, you’re on the way, I find myself rehearsing my story I play that When you said, hey man, how are you doing? You got me believe it, the traffic is so bad out there and so busy everything is difficult, wow its great and everything is so… it’s the story we present. And now that’s all fine well and good.
Dr Aziz: Well let me actually jump in for one second because that was a really eloquent description of I think so many different things. And just to see if I really understand it, I’ll give a quick recap your saying that, for people that don’t know the solar plexus is sort of down, kind of at the base of your ribs top of your stomach right?
Dr. Aziz: Yes, right in the center of your body and some people listening might, you might not have developed the body awareness yet. But, if you really to start paying attention during the day, like what Steven is talking about, you’ll notice that it will feel. I feel that area a lot and I feel exactly what you’re describing Steven where it will get tense. And they’ll be a…and that tension feels exactly what you are saying, it’s like a resistance to what’s happening or what could happen. Or I don’t like this, I don’t want that, or I hope they say yes, I hope I don’t get late, whatever it is.
And then from that squeezing and you can really feel it, it’s a literal squeezing in your body right there. Then it kind of goes up and we get tighter in our chests which makes a lot of sense how we then limit our ability to feel love, express love, receive love, just that warm feeling in our hearts. And then there squeezing in the throat which can inhibit what we say and how free our voice can sound, how spontaneous we can speak. And then I love how you’re saying that our mind, our prefrontal cortex is then based upon those sensations trying to, is making descriptions of what’s happening.
And then there’s this evaluating part that’s saying about us. Well you’re not dong that right? Well that didn’t look very good. And I know a lot of people listening really can relate to that observing part and then you combine all of that with this tendency to kind of choose our personality unconsciously as we grow older to make sure it’s likable.
So I just wanted to recap what I was understanding and I’m really curious to hear you continue about how we can break free of this or kind of work with this natural human dilemma.
Steven: there was that… I realized as you was saying there was one tiny link I missed out there because when you get the contracting of the throat that subtly pulls the scalp forwards the heads very heavy obviously. And it just pulls it just slightly more forwards than it needs to be. And that inclines the energy of the brain to go into the fore brain and hence why you’ll get that predominance of the internal dialogue all the time. So you got all of that.
The first place to start with anyway would be to check the breathing and most people will find that when they check the breathing they will notice that they are holding the breath or inhibiting it a little bit. So the first thing is to learn how to get in the habit of not holding your breathe. This isn’t mechanical, what’s fascinating about the breathing is that it’s an autonomic function and yet it’s the only one that we can intervene with actively and cognitively.
Then to slow the breathing down because as you slow the breathing down, you slow the pace of your thinking down and it happens spontaneously and instantaneously. Next, if you concentrate on the tone of the breathing like making it silent and smooth and feel like silk being reeled from a cocoon, you’ll find that the tone of the thoughts become similar, the mind becomes softer, more silken in its quality. As soon as that happens, the actual thought content starts to shift to itself. It becomes less jagged and more harmonious anyway. So the first thing is then the breathing. Mechanically getting in the habit of feeling the belly rise and somehow swell as the in breathe occurs. And then drop and flatten as the exhalation occurs.
This is the opposite of how we generally breathe which is we full our chest as we breathe in and then we empty as we breathe out, this is the idea of getting the lungs to work fully by feeling the belly swell as you breathe in and then flattening it to push the air out. This is all mechanical though. This is all relatively superficial but it’s the place to start.
And once you got the breathing settled the next thing to attend to is what I call the up and down equation because we are so used to thinking and thinking. It draws the energy of the body upwards into the brain. Now the brain actually functions much better as the energy is heat, with all that heat in the brain it overheats the thought. We function better in the mind when we allow the heat to drop, allow that energy to drop down so that the mind becomes cooler. The chest becomes cooler. And you let the energy settle in the belly in the lower abdominal area of that, which is where it needs to be because that’s the sort of the kidney and sexual reproductive area which is where the energy of the body is actually generated.
So the next thing after getting the breathing to regulate itself is to somehow drop the weight if you like of the head and the chest down into the belly and the legs. So you kind of get it, this all takes practice and time. But it does happen it’s just probably if you allow yourself 90 days or something of this kind of regular attention to what’s going on. You’ll see a massive change over that time. So you concentrate, every time you can remember on letting all the heat and the noise and the static in the upper part of the body sink down and settle in the lower abdominal region, sitting up the pelvic bowl if you like. There’s a place that the place of the pelvis going into the legs. And you gradually start getting the sense of being quite rooted and solid in the lower part but quite light and free in the upper part.
Yes, you look at any martial artists and you’ll see that in them. They are very grounded, the bottom part of them is really solid, the upper part quite light and free. Again, this is actually relatively still quite superficial. What happens next and this is the big one. Oh no I’m going to do before I get there. Looking at the muscles as well this is really important, the muscles and the sinus the connective tissue of the body to relax, because relaxing is obviously key to everything.
When you say to most people, hey chill out, just relax. They don’t really know what to do with that so they think of yeah go on the beach and drink a penacolader and get a massage, watch TV on the couch or whatever. But actually relaxation means softening all the muscles. Just being aware of where you’re getting rigid at the back of the neck, around the eyes, the jaw, the belly the groin, the forearms the legs wherever. And just chatting the muscles come on let go, soften, soften and just letting it all soften. If you look at any great dancers or boxers or martial artists, you’ll see their bodies are actually really relaxed in the midst of activity. And that’s what we’re aiming for. Relaxation doesn’t mean collapsing, it just means relaxing, it just means softening while in action. So these are would be the superficial factors to bear in mind, the breathing, the dropping the weight down, so that the head is not all full of heat and softening the muscles.
Now we come to the big one. This is where it gets really exciting for me any way, in fact l would say this is the most powerful thing I have ever learned. It’s not sensational or huge or spectacular but it is really, really powerful once you get the hang of it. So all of that stuff we have just being talking about, all the noise of being who we are, all that drama, occurs in the front of the body. In other words, if you are wearing a t-shirt, its everywhere forwards of your side seams. Also the brain, the something in the head, it’s like everywhere forwards of the side seams of the head as it were.
What a martial artists learns to do is to instead of being in the front, they learn to sit in the back all the time, that’s like everywhere rear of the side seams. The reason being, when you’re in the front, you require the properties of the front you become relatively vulnerable, weak, and noisy like the front ears compared to the back, But when your in the back you require the properties of the back which is relatively much more protected , much stiller and silent. There’s not really much going on in the back at all. It’s a solid place compared to the front. So when you sited your back, you become silent inside you become still, and you become, secure feeling you feel safe in yourself rather than vulnerable. Likewise, with the mind pulls back into the rear part of the brain rather than being in the fore brain, all that noise of the internal dialogue subsides.
It doesn’t just stop because it can’t, that’s what it does up there. It thinks all the time. But you’re not engaged in the thinking, it’s like you click the X and turn that window off. So it’s just not disturbing you anymore. When you learn to sit in your back, aside from the fact that you’re feeling these, the stillness and the strength of being in the back, you can then take command of the drama that’s going on in the front. Rather than it taking command of you which is what happens otherwise.
But when you’re in the front, that’s all you’ve got, you’ve got the front of you; you got the noise of it all. When you’re in the back, you’ve got the back and you’ve got the front but rather than it being out of control. You’re controlling it, so you can control how much the noise is going on. And so on and so forth. When you’re in the back, you are occupying the place of what you might call the witness bearer or the background presence. Like the Dow which I haven’t really explained yet what Dow is about what Dow is I will in a sec . Could be considered to be the background presence of manifest reality, the consciousness that exists at the subatomic level. And within the human body, that is available to us in the back part of us. It’s that that watches when were going through the birth canal, when we start our first-day at kindergarten, when we get married, when we get divorced, when we get facing death, when people we love die, when we make lots of money, whatever it is that happens in our lives, all these big moments. There’s that thing that’s watching the whole time, it’s just observing. And it is totally impartial to whether things on the outside are going well or badly.
It’s even impartial to the way you’re evaluating you’re position in the game. It doesn’t care it’s just delighted to be alive because it is the background presence, being alive in your body if you like. And that in a nutshell is the answer to how you manage to maintain this inner stability come what may. It sounds beautiful in practice, what happens is you start introducing the idea to yourself, at first it feels really weird because we are not in the west trained to think in this way. We’re not trained to use our consciousness like this. We kind of know we have options of how we can use our consciousness.
So at first it feels a bit odd. But once we start getting just glimpses of it, it feels very relaxing straight away. Then we forget, we constantly forget to do it. So it’s really a matter of reminding ourselves again and again and again, come in to the back, come in to the back. And even just moments in there throughout the day, what happens is we start naturally defaulting to that as our position. And when that happens and the being in the drama mode, being in the front becomes the exception, that’s when you’ve cracked it.
And that does take a while anything from three months to three years, who knows, I don’t know. You can’t really gauge these things. Generally about three months if you apply yourself to it, we just need to keep on remembering So every time you get into a crisis in life and I have got to phone up this guy I got to do that I got to change it I better Email I better do that, rather than doing all that you just drop back drop all of that noise and the answer of what to do will come to you quite naturally and you will do it without any effort with no problem at all, I need to mention one other thing. Once that happens, you are then able to discern what you’re real intention is in any one moment. Once you strip away all the details, become something like that life will unfold from this point on with upmost elegance. With beauty with seamlessness and abundance and joy, not just for me but for everybody in my (inaudible). And with that kind of natural intention held somehow firmly in mind from the back of you, that’s exactly what you’ll get and all the details of how to get there will present themselves spontaneously and naturally. And then you follow that and that’s like being a child. That’s what I meant by being a child in the midst of all this stuff, we call the world.
Dr. Aziz: This is really, really good stuff and as you’re describing it, I’m kind of going through the process that you’re talking about and I hope everyone listening are able to do that as well and sort of softening the muscles in my body.
That brings us to the end of the time we have today for this interview. Stay tuned for next week we will finish up more of that interview with him. We are going to give you some powerful stuff about how to use this, what you’re learning to approach life, to deal with the ups and downs of life, deal with the rejections, the setbacks, and the failures and to not be so scared of them. To be able to jump in to life with the enthusiasm, the energy that you had when you were just a little kid. So that’s going to be pretty exciting stuff. Stay tuned for that.
We can’t end today though without your action step.
Your action step for today is to apply what you learned in the interview about focusing your attention on the back half of your body, what a profound, powerful insight that is. So bring that into your life as much as you can during the day, when you remember, bring yourself back to the back half of your body. However you want to do it, what he suggested your own methods but make a practice of it. Commit to yourself to do it for those 90 days and see what happens. Let’s do this experiment together, you and me. And keep each other posted on it, I’ll check in on future episodes, how it’s going for you. But I think, if you really applied this and get out of your mind and into the back half of your body, I mean man, life can be different.
So let’s all do that together, it’s a joint action step and let’s jump in to the rest of the interview next week. We’re going to go into that and look forward to seeing you in the next episode. Thanks so much for listening and joining in and sharing your thoughts and comments at shrinkfortheshyguy.com. And I just really honor and respect you for taking this time to focus on yourself and you’re growth and just really respect what you’re doing. It’s something that most people wont do. So thanks so much for listening and until we speak again. May you have the courage to be who you are and to know that you’re awesome.
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