Discover The Power That Comes From Knowing You Can Just Be Yourself
What are the fears that stop us from just being honest with people? Are you afraid of rejection or disapproval? Of hurting other people’s feelings or people not liking what you have to say?
Join Dr. Aziz in the second half of his engaging interview with honesty expert Dr. Brad Blanton as you learn exactly how to be honest in a way that dramatically improves your life.
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Dr. Brad Blanton has been helping people be more real, authentic, and honest in their lives for many decades. He has a wealth of experience, a broad skill set, and a playful sense of humor to guide you on your journey towards greater honesty and confidence.
Applying Honesty In Your Life To Build Confidence
Hey, welcome to today’s episode of the show and today you’re going to learn more about how the truth will set you free, having the courage and the boldness to be more honest in your life will ultimately bring you more confidence because so much of a lack of confidence comes from feeling like other people can’t handle us, we couldn’t handle interactions if this person gets upset, if this person has a judgment of, I will not be able to handle it. I mean, if we’re just more honest and more blunt and more direct, you’ll realize you can handle it. And we’re going to jump back into our interview with Brad in just a moment Brad Blanton. He has written a number of books about this stuff.
You should listen to the first half of the interview in the last episode if you haven’t already and we’re going to jump into that in just a moment. I want to tell a brief story though about me trying out some of the stuff that he said last week and then we get into the interview. Before we do though, just a reminder, call the show hotline if you have questions. I’d love to do Q and A and ask the Shrink segment that sort of thing. The hotline is 206-338-3176. You can just leave a message there at 206-338-3176. I’ll listen to them, I‘ll respond to them, I’ll answer your questions in the upcoming shows. You can also follow the show on Twitter at @shyguyshrink on Twitter and of course go to Facebook, like the page, you get more updates about what’s going on there at Facebook.com/shrinkfortheshyguy.
So, did you try out some of the stuff that Brad talked about last week about being more honest? I know I did. And now, I was looking in my life, and I was like, okay, I know I`m really honest now but where am I now? And there are some things I need to talk about my relationship with my wife and there were some edges, some things that we just hadn`t talked about in a long time and I was terrified to do this. I was terrified because I had the sense that, she was going to react negatively. And guess what? She did and she got upset with me, and we got into like this big discussions/argument and you know, just to not give way. She’s like, you can do be as long as you want but don`t talk about me in your internet show.
So, I don`t want to give too much details, I want to respect her privacy. But it was something that she was very critical of herself about and I`ve always been very supportive of her and at times I felt both irritated or impatient or having some difficulties of myself. So, I told her that and we’ll set up this mushroom clutter like she was upset and angry with me and then like, 20 minutes in the conversation I’m like fucking Brad Blanton, you steered me wrong, you bastard. And it felt really terrible. I was really messy. I was really uncomfortable. I felt like a bad guy but we’re stuck with it and we talked more and then I had to go to go work and then we break it. Have you ever been in a conflict like that where you like you need to go to work or she needs to go but you’re like “But this is one more thing. Oh God, I got to go.
I got a client in eight minutes and I’m going to be late but I got to tell you this one.” So really that and then I eventually left and went to work and we’re like both upset all day long and then we got back later that night and talked more and couldn’t still quite resolve it and then the next morning, we talked more. But you know what? Within like two days and through all those conversations, everything was like deeper and more intimate and more connected and there was like a flow between us and after that, it was like we’re even more in love and more connected and I felt like I could say anything to hurt and she can say anything to me just like an intimacy we reclaimed and it was amazing. And so, you know, three days later I was heralding Brad Blanton is a genius.
So, the key takeaway here is as you listen to the rest of this interview that we’re going to jump into is that it’s messy. Being real is messy and the point isn’t to not make any waves, the point is to be who you are, show up and really connect and that’s what real life is about and that’s how you really develop that solid confidence in yourself. It’s not by avoiding any conflict and avoiding all messes but by showing up as you are and realizing you could handle that and that through those conflicts, through those messes is how you discover more about yourself and how you connect more deeply with others and also maybe how you can love others. Because there’s no way to really be loved if you can’t show, apply it to yourself. I mean you might get people to like you and say they love you but deep down you don’t know the feeling of love until you really reveal who you are to that person and then when they say I love you, man you feel that deep in your heart. So, that’s what I want for you and that’s why I want to encourage you to keep trying this stuff out even if it’s messy. We’re going to jump back into that interview with Brad now.
Dr. Aziz: That’s why you offer an extended workshops is to help almost reprogram someone from their upbringing because a lot of people say that sounds refreshing and then they have this internal block of I’ll be a bad person if I say what I want or I’m too direct and blunt with someone and they feel a lot of shame as a result of doing that because of their programming. How would you help someone in one of your trainings and workshops or in therapy? How would you help someone work through that?
Brad: Well, one of the advantages of being in a workshop is you’re in a community of friends and you make some agreements for a limited of time like they made in the workshop and they agree for eight days that they’ll tell the truth and they realize that everyone else has made the agreement. And so, they get to do it in a very, very special circumstances, they get to experiment with it. And they find that how surprisingly wonderful it is to share with other people honestly even if what you have to say may not be what you’re going to say of your unusual polite company. And one of the things that people do in that workshop is every night we have everybody tell their whole story of their life and we try to look for the things that emerge in their stories.
What have they done of their lives that deserve reenacted over and over again? What are the ways they shoot themselves in the foot when they’re just about to cross to the finish line? What are all the ways that they use to interrupt telling the truth about what’s going on of themselves in order to remain and keep the illusion of being in control? And so, a lot of that comes out in the stories and people really get to know each other pretty well. And then about four or five days in the workshop, everybody takes off all their clothes and they have to stand in that in front of the group of naked people, naked and talk about their bodies. Say what they like and what they don’t like, what they’re saying that they’re proud of.
Once they get embarrassed, they just be embarrassed. We coach them to experience the embarrassment and it increases then it decreases then it goes away because when you experience and experience it, it comes and go. But when you resist experiencing it, it persists forever. So, the resistance to the experience of shame causes shame to persist and we demonstrate that if you actually experience it, it’s just a rush, you got a little extra high heartbeat and you get warmth in front of your face and down your neck and then the front of your chest and your body and you feel sort of tremulous and you go ahead and describe it. You might cry. You might recall some more embarrassing circumstances and we’ll go into it.
And then what happen is when they experience a way through it, they realize well here I am naked in front of a whole bunch of naked people and I’m not embarrassed anymore. And so, after that’s through we asked everybody to tell their summary of their sexual history when do they find out they were sexual beings, when do they first play with themselves, when they do first masturbate, what was it like when they lost their virginity, how many partners that they had, were they male or female or if they done with animals or whatever and they tell all that. Everybody thinks they had the most awful secrets in the world and they tell deep dark secrets as they don’t tell no one else or what have they’ve done and they’re usually true to other people on the workshop has done it and so it’s very reliving.
And so, people will grab that up to the fourth day or fifth day when we do it and they’re videotaped. We go over the videotape of them so they can see themselves and they can remember the group talking about their body and see what everybody is talking about. So, there’s a thorough opportunity to be able to experience whatever is there for you to experience having to do with you imagine about what other people think of you and what you think of yourself and all that. And what happen is that the workshop is about the end of the seventh or eighth day everybody falls in love with everybody else. They fall in love with each other because they’re so appreciative of their mutual honesty. I must say for that fifth day where everybody naked, we dreaded it that from that day on I had to say to him, put down and clothes back on. Put your clothes back on. Put your clothes back on. And they’re like because they think that freedom must be in nudity.
The activity says to how to be free with their clothes on and it’s very powerful workshop. They’re very good. We have a book called The Truthtellers which are stories contributed by workshop graduates all over the country, all over the world and what happen when they went home, when they showed their lives to where they tape to their parents and their ex-spouses and their spouses and so forth, their brothers and sisters and all their family discussions all didn’t happen that way. You are wrong. This is the way I remember it now with all these conversations that lead to greater intimacy in the family. The short term conversation is pretty scary and they get mad with each other. They get their feelings hurt but they stick with each other because family generally do and what’s underneath it all is that they do care about each other and it emerges and they’re grateful for having been heard and they tell their parents all the things they got bad with that they never got caught and then their parents know and then they don’t have to hide anymore.
And so, you develop this liberation from the network of carefulness that you were raised in and you no longer need it anywhere in general open society. Then on end you might have trouble. Someone out there in the world will go ahead and have it. The thing is life is trouble. There is no life without any trouble. So, spending your life kind of what trouble is more damn troubles than it’s worth so that is what people in The Truthtellers is about. We just released the audio book of The Truthtellers and it’s doing pretty good. It’s quite popular. People are listening to the voice recording and lots of people are getting the books on their iPhones and stuff now.
Dr. Aziz: Great. I didn’t know that. I would have to check that out because I love the idea of hearing about how stories of how it works in people’s lives because I think that’s the fear that I have when I was reading your book and what I read other people talked about it, your Radical Honesty book. And as I read it and it was refreshing it was like, “Yes, yes. Okay, I’m going to do it.” And then I close my book and I go to work the next day and I’m like, “No, no. Oh, dear God!” And that’s actually something I want to make a good distinction on is that I think that there are layers of truth and if I’m like there’s sort of, sometimes there’s like an external pushing away of someone like you. “I don’t like you. You’re bad. You’re ugly.” Or something like that and then underneath that is some vulnerability that I’m trying to protect or I feel bad about myself or something along those lines.
And I’m wondering how you guide people through that. Like would you moment I leave it at that like how would you get help them to the lower layer and not just stay at that surface level of kind of being critical or off footing. We’re going to pause and take a brief break and then we’re going to jump back into the interview with Brad Blanton.
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Brad: Well, that again you remind me the book, it’s called The Truthtellers’ story about success by radically honest people and there are a lot of examples. They learn as they go. They learn in the workshops some things they learn, some things by going back kind of when of starting this in their real lives. And the main thing I teach you about is to be simple is I tell people, I don’t teach you to get smarter, I try to teach you to get dumber. I mean that you just go after and talk like a dummy. You’re not sophisticated anymore. You just go out there and act like you don’t know any better. So, you say, that stinks there. Imagine you’re sick of looking like that without wardrobe on your and things like that and they say, “Oh, you’re not supposed to mention that.” Or they say, “Well, I’m glad nobody mention, nobody talks about it.”
And you end up having a deeper relationship with them because you spoke out loud about something which (14.31). But what you say is very small bite of things. When somebody has the wrong tone of voice and you don’t like it and say, “I resent you for your tone of voice. I resent you for your tone. I resent you for your tone of voice when you said No thanks to me.” I appreciate you for bringing me that ice cream cones and you say the specific playing idea in the world that you appreciate them for doing and the things that you resent them for doing. And they’re just, they’re not examples of why they’re ill rotten people. They’re just something they did that you didn’t like. So, you get simpler dumber. You say what you like and what you don’t like and you describe it. It’s descriptive speaking more than a evaluative speaking. So, you’re not saying the person is worthless because they did that. You’re just saying he did that and I didn’t like it. And so, things remain kind of dumber and simpler and workable instead of being some kind of conscience philosophy develop to have fuel your resentments. I coach simplicity mostly.
Dr. Aziz: I like that and I remember I read your book and then I read Susan Campbell’s book Getting Real and both of you advocate a practice of sharing resentments and appreciations and I was, she’s not my wife but at the time I was just starting to date, Candice and she’s very into honesty as well and so we’re sharing what I was reading in his books and she was on board and so I said, “We’ll just practice confidence, resentments and appreciations.” And so, let’s try it out. So, I remember we sat on the lawn of the house I was living in at the time and just start sharing stuff and what I found is that I was like saying things that I don’t think or I really resented but it was almost like I was just saying stuff that I think I should be resented or just wanting to kind of flex my ability or something.
And so, I remember saying I resent this and there’s legitimate things in there and one of the things she has a number of food sensitivities and I was like, I resent that you have food sensitivities. I look back and I’m like I really don’t, I really don’t care. It didn’t affect anyway and then of course she was sensitive about that subject and a few other things. So, she kind of just came back with all these resentments and let me just say we didn’t get to the appreciation. So, we’re just sort of like a resentment fest. I left with being like I don’t know if that was the – if that led to something, I guess to be honest I was hesitant to do that again and I think we’ve come up with a system that’s a little more like sharing stuff in the moment as its happening or soon or kind one of a time thing versus like the cluster. But perhaps we didn’t, basically we didn’t stick with doing it and I’m curious about your thoughts about that kind of direct expression and packing it together.
Brad: Well, I’m curious that you had that thing and then you ended up marrying her.
Dr. Aziz: Yeah.
Brad: So, it looks to me like it works pretty good.
Dr. Aziz: Yeah. I supposed so.
Brad: I mean, look at the results. So, what happens is Susan is a radical honesty trainer, in fact we’re meeting in Greece in a couple of weeks and I’m doing a great workshop and I’m kind trying to set up the big one next year at this place called (18.13) and what I recommend is you keep practicing your resentments and the appreciations. And the appreciations sometimes are surprising in that. They bring you some resentment just like resentment is surprising. Surprising is they bring you to some appreciation so that you don’t exclude one or the other. You try to balance them. You just take them as they come.
Dr. Aziz: And do you think that this – are there people that are perhaps too sensitive I guess, I’m curious about if someone says I resent you for the shape of your nose or something for example. I don’t know that person is like let’s say they have a lifelong complex about their nose and it triggers a lot of anger and shame in them and then a desire to push the other person away and so, they’re going to say or do whatever they need to, to make that happen. I guess there are certain things that you think that someone might be too sensitive about or would you?
Brad: That good grip for the male I’d say that the unfinished business a lot of times they didn’t mention what they felt about what’s wrong about their nose. They get a chance to process with you and they’d be very grateful for you letting them get over it after a while. If not as though we should never have any conflict or arguments, we’re going to have them anyway is to have them in such a way that they’re truthful and they lead to you’re getting over something rather than just maintaining your internalize defensiveness.
Dr. Aziz: That’s a really interesting thing is that I feel like sometimes I see sort of a fight between couple. There seems to be like a repetitive nature of stating resentments but not in a way that leads to moving through it or resolution. It’s complex.
Brad: Yeah, because they’re not simple enough long ended explanations about I’m right and you were wrong. You shouldn’t mention my nose because other people have made me self-conscious about it but I’m very sensitive about it so you should keep your mouth shut. You say, “Well, the (20.36) nose look.” And then (20.42) it doesn’t mean you have to turn back to the nice guy game either.
Dr. Aziz: That is – and so, talking to you is like reading your book, very refreshing and inspiring and one of the things that I teach throughout all of the stuff that I put out there is a lot about confidence, how to believe in ourselves and take healthy risks in life and put ourselves out there. What would you say the connection between honesty and confidence?
Brad: I guess in practice and being present to your own experience and reporting it. It’s like confidence comes from awareness that’s what I think that you, when you start gradually changing your identity to your present sense noticing being, how you’re doing is not as important question as it was when you thought who you were as your performance. Because most of us go around saying, “How am I doing? How am I doing? How am I doing? How am I doing? How am I doing? How do you think am I doing? How do you think am I doing?” It doesn’t make much difference on how you’re doing if who you are is not your performance, who you are is one who has various things you perform and you get some feedback out them but it doesn’t mean that you are an awful person.
It just means you were an asshole once and it’s like you offended somebody and they needed to be offended about it. As long as it’s like it doesn’t matter so much what you imagine other people imagine about you when who you are is not they’re imaging anyway or you’re imagining either. So, it’s like you can take the awareness continue. Everything that you can be aware of can be divided into three parts. You can notice what’s going on right now in your body within the confines of your skin, that’s part one. Part is two is you can notice what’s going on around you outside your immediate present tense world, that’s part two. And part three is you can notice what’s going through your mind and that’s all there is. There ain’t no more. I call it inside, outside, upside down. And what you notice with your eyes and ears outside of you and what you notice with your seen, sight being within the confines of your own skin is an entirely more reliable thing to be grounding your life in than what you notice going through your mind because incredible loads of bullshit just stream to your mind at all times.
And so, you can’t realize for your identity on your most untrustworthy instrument for getting around. We’ve been told that lies of a man is a wonderful thing. I think that American degree of college fund saying and made it into another saying for radical honesty which is a man does a terrible thing, waste it and I think a man is a terrible thing and it might as well good and waste it because it’s an unreliable form of orientation. So, if I’m grounding my experience and I’m playing intention to what I notice sensations in my body and I’m paying attention to other people when I’m talking to them and looking at them and listening to them, pay attention to their tone of voice, getting the messages they’re putting out there not just a verbal cognitive in what they say and then I’m also paying attention to what they’re saying and what’s going through our mind but it’s not the most important thing. If somebody gets upset with me, I realize that they’ve got a man of course who really get upset everyday and then it goes, a man is like an ongoing upset machine anyway.
So, it’s like you start recognizing that I think therefore I am is completely wrong, it’s completely ass backwards. It should be I am therefore I think because the identity is with the being that we are and other thing present tense being that’s who we are and we are not this goddamn bullshit machine that we call our mind.
Dr. Aziz: That is a great phrase to refer to it as the bullshit machine. I have one last question I want to ask you and then I want to give you a chance for you to share a little more about what you have going on and ways people can learn more from you. The last question though is you said something about we can’t avoid all trouble in life and that just creates more trouble and there’s a quote from your Radical Honesty book which I love which is “We would rather be sure of a correctly predicted negative outcome than face the realistic uncertainty of an unpredictable future even if it includes the possibility of great joy and success.” And I really relate to that there’s this need for certainty that will get at all cost even if it involves living in a cage or lands of pessimism and so, what are your thoughts about risk taking? How can someone move towards that or just any messages you want to give about the inherent risk in life or how to deal with uncertainty?
Brad: Well, we tend to be afraid of predicting the future wrongly and we always take ourselves I guess not being in control. So, we have this kind of control madness that we get schooled in quite way in the way were raised in school and everything else and we get thousands of examples of it on TV all the time. We believe we’re supposed to be in control and people are afraid of anything that is intense emotion. They’re afraid of intense sexuality and they’re afraid of intense anger. They’re afraid of intense sadness and they’re afraid most of all of intense joy. I think of all the things people are scared of completely joyful unmitigated love is one of the scariest things because it feels like you don’t exist anymore in terms of you ideational performance. People are afraid of being really intimate and being vulnerable and being open to possibly being hurt, afraid of losing their loved ones and they’re afraid of growing them off and they spend so much time trying to make sure that they don’t, they end up doing it.
So, it’s always “Oh, please, please don’t hurt me (27.36)” And that’s what people do, they tend to create what they try to avoid. If you really want to take charge of your life, you had to be willing to experience what is you’re trying to avoid and don’t avoid it. Have the experience and be willing to be with it. Take the risk. If you lose, fine you’ll get your heart broken. Your heart will heal, you get it going again. It’s like recognizing that what you do in order to avoid the thing you imagine is the worst thing is probably the most powerful thing you’re going to make sure it occurred. It’s like in golf, be sure and don’t put that ball to the ball. Just make sure and don’t put it to the left, don’t put it to the left and then you don’t put it to the left. You have to actually do that because that what was already going on your mind was the left.
Dr. Aziz: Yeah.
Brad: And the same thing happens if you don’t take your life beginning, the stories that you’re living in now and you don’t own it and tell the truth about it, you don’t have any chance to modify the future and being creative in your life making your life a work of art and living like an artist. If you live like a scared cat, it’s very, very hard to live like an artist. So, it’s more fun, a hell lot more fun so be out there and play and make mistakes and get hurt now and then get offended now and then get over it now and then and get back to love again now and then and you learn that forgiveness is something that has to be with you getting over yourself and that you get over blaming someone else and at the same time, you stop blaming yourself so that forgiveness occurs for you from within by you being able to get over someone you’re holding a grudge against, so that forgiveness is for yourself as your benefit as well as the benefit of the other person.
So, that’s the way to do it is by living out loud, telling the truth, hurting each other feelings, facing what you’re scared of, being well just to shake hands with fear. It’s nothing by anxiety. It’s like this whole bunch of trimming these feelings in the body and your heart rate a little bit faster, it’s just a bunch of sensations. And if you’re completely willing to experience them, you get over them in a matter of days. But people spend their entire life trying to avoid and manage these sensations.
Dr. Aziz: Exactly. That reminds me of, I don’t know it was Gay Hendricks or maybe he’s quoting someone else. It said that behind every communication problem is a 10-minute sweaty conversation that you just don’t want to have.
Brad: Yeah, exactly.
Dr. Aziz: It’s really short lived usually.
Dr. Aziz: Well, that’s great. I was nodding my head with so much of what you’re saying during this interview and I really appreciate it. I think your message is so valuable and so, for anyone who is listening, if there are any ways that people can, you mentioned some of the books and workshops but maybe just to guide people to where they can find these things also in the show notes below, on the page here I’m going also have links to these things. But just to give a little pitch or anything you like to share about what you’re doing.
Brad: Well, you can, most of what you can find out is at radicalhonesty.com. We’re about to launch, I just launched the audio versions of The Truthtellers book and I’m about to launch an online course called The Radical Freedom through Radical Honesty. It’s an online course. It should be about four weeks long and it will be big. I launched it about a month from now and you can find out about it on the website and I’m trying to bring now to website learning. What I did was the workshop which was I try to design in (31.38) the workshop what people would get from a year of psychotherapy and that when I figured out what people actually got out from psychotherapy and I put it all together in this eight-day workshop.
Now, I’m breaking eight-day (31.53) workshop into smaller pieces on a series of online workshops where people take the course together and do some homework at home. We use a lot of video and then I have a live seminar one night a week and a video presentation on another for about four weeks in a row. So, I’m trying to get the benefits of psychotherapy in the world and that’s what I’m about these days and there’s a lot of writing about it in my ongoing blog and you can find out everything by going to radicalhonesty.com.
Dr. Aziz: That is great and I love the idea of condensing stuff down so that it’s accessible and digestible and involves you can reach a lot more people at workshop and you can reach even more online than there’s only some people you can see for therapy.
Dr. Aziz: And so, I think that’s really important work to get the message out to more people and more accessible so thank you for doing it.
Brad: Good. You’re welcome. Thanks for having me. I’m really revolutionary. I want to go over the government and overthrow the economic order and overthrow every damn thing that’s maintaining our stupid evolutions about avoiding, identifying as a being we are. I think this is the way to overthrow the worldwide economic order that’s why I’m doing it.
Dr. Aziz: That’s awesome. Bigger vision.
Dr. Aziz: That’s so good. Well, thank you so much for being on the show and I want to have you back. I feel like I just scratch the surface of all that you could share.
Brad: Well, you’re welcome. Let me know I’ll be taking off for a while and I’ll have you back in early fall or September or write me again. I would love to do it.
Dr. Aziz: That brings us to the end of our interview with honesty expert Dr. Brad Blanton. I want to thank Brad so much for taking the time and coming on the show and hope that you benefited from some of the insights. I mean, he’s been working on the stuff for decades and I think he’s got some really key insights on how we can all feel more free by giving ourselves permission to be ourselves and that leads us to today’s action step.
Dr. Aziz: Today’s action step is to be more honest with yourself. Take a little time maybe right after this episode or sometime during the day to just reflect on saying where am I not being honest with myself in my life, where am I telling myself a story, telling myself a line or a lie to make myself feel better, to not have to deal with something, to not really have to face a challenge and again you want to do this with compassion. You’re not going on a witch hunt here. You’re not being like I’m going to find it out, I’m going to kick myself in the ass. No, you want just be like, “Hey, look, we all do this. We’re all distorting reality at all times. It’s a common human thing to do.”
Let me just see if I can find that edge and hold it with compassion, maybe shame comes up, maybe self-criticism comes up. Use your tools that you’ve been learning from the show and elsewhere to deal with those things but the key is to really turn towards yourself and look where am I not being honest with myself and how can I be more honest with myself and even having your hand on your heart as you do the exercise and breathing in and just holding it with like love and compassion. This is not about taking yourself to task and keeping yourself an ass and all that stuff. It’s really just finding your way to being more real with yourself and then ultimately this allows you to be more real with others. Well, thanks for listening. Thanks for joining me on this journey and I look forward to sharing so much more. In upcoming episodes we have interviews with all other honesty experts who are amazing, teachers of mine who have helped me tremendously.
One of them being Dr. Susan Campbell who is taking a lot of Brad’s stuff and apply it to the area of dating relationships which she has written a book called Truth in Dating, how to really just breaks the whole mold on the pickup artist stuff and I ask her a lot of questions about that and how do you really be comfortable and just bringing yourself into the world when it comes to finding someone in creating a relationship in finding love and she’s got some amazing insights. I mean, it’s one of my favorite interviews that I’ve ever done. So, I’m going to share that with you soon and many more things about how you can free yourself, become more socially free, become more confident and be who you are in the world. So, until we speak again. May you have the courage to be who you are and to know that you’re awesome.
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